Do you think Doom without his mask will be better or worse than the High Evolutionary?
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threemo2025-11-15 01:13
Idk man, haven’t seen it yet
MatiC20232025-11-15 01:17
I didn't like your answer, please don't reply
MatiC20232025-11-15 01:20
It was a fucking joke, man, why so negative?
eman_e312025-11-15 01:20
They didn't like your answer
MatiC20232025-11-15 01:22
I didn't like your answer either, don't answer again
graveybrains2025-11-15 01:26
mattchewy432025-11-15 01:29
shreyas_varad2025-11-15 02:52
the irony of using a sheldon meme...
LeoNickle2025-11-15 02:46
Don't worry homie I liked your answer
generalosabenkenobi2025-11-15 01:15
I mean, if they do indeed pull from Secret Wars 2015, Doom's face reveal in that is not all that dissimilar from this
MadJackGatlingGun2025-11-15 01:17
I've always enjoyed the idea that Doom's scars are pretty insignificant, but his ego and refusal to cope makes him blow it way out of proportion
Currycel78912025-11-15 01:20
That idea isn't comic-accurate, though.
dyrannn2025-11-15 01:56
Unfortunately it doesn’t matter
This sub begs for Doom to be a Stark variant lmao, nobody cares about accuracy they care about cameo slop
Currycel78912025-11-15 01:58
Yeah, if Doom is a Stark variant, then he obviously isn't scarred much- or at all.
Cygus_Lorman2025-11-15 02:53
Me who wanted Stark to have been a Doom variant: 😔
dyrannn2025-11-15 02:54
Sorry pal, everyone has their opinions I’m just not a fan of that one lol
Cygus_Lorman2025-11-15 02:55
How about: Doom had Franklin remodel his face to match Tony to make it easier to get allies
dyrannn2025-11-15 02:59
I’m personally not a fan of any connection, I’d like it to be unaddressed personally, though that’s unsatisfying for some people. If it’s up to me? Keep casting jokes for Deadpool, like the Evans joke in DP&W.
I want the mask to stay on, and if it comes off I want him to be unrecognizable. Doom deserves to be Doom, and RDJ, as he’s said at least twice, *is* Iron Man.
RvD0002025-11-15 01:17
I always like the interpretation when Doom has only a small scar nobody really would notice or care for it, but he only sees the scar and covers the whole face up.
So I hope it will be "better" than the High Evolutionary.
Currycel78912025-11-15 01:20
That interpretation is popular but it's not comic-accurate.
In the comics, Doom's face is horrifically disfigured.
TwstdPrtzl2025-11-15 01:25
Now I might be misremembering, but wasn't it that he got a small scar in a college experiment and went home and welded the Doom mask to his face, which then horrifically disfigured him?
Currycel78912025-11-15 01:46
Something like that, although the scar was half his face. It wasn't small. He also got expelled from college.
Disastrous-Heron-4912025-11-15 01:32
Where in the old comics is his face horrifically disfigured?
Currycel78912025-11-15 01:45
I have the screenshot, but sadly this stupid forum doesn't allow images to be posted. Want to take this to the DMs?
MammothMemory63002025-11-15 03:23
[Wut](https://i.imgur.com/RMFgDPZ.jpeg)
Butt__Sexington2025-11-15 01:45
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Currycel78912025-11-15 01:47
It would be a first. Josh Brolin's Thanos was pure, adulterated Jim Starlin.
Butt__Sexington2025-11-15 02:18
The Avengers line up?
Mizerous2025-11-15 03:10
No Death simping.
remerdy12025-11-15 02:07
Comics contradict themselves often
BagofBabbish2025-11-15 02:15
Not really. His depiction isn’t consistent. The comics don’t really show it. Toys are the main source of his unmasked appearance
Currycel78912025-11-15 02:20
And modern comics. Anything from 2000 on.
Especially Jonathan Hickman's stories, which the MCU is currently adapting.
That said, since they're paying for RDJ specifically- they can't really scar him.
Endgam2025-11-15 06:55
That interpretation was first put forth by Jack Kirby himself.
Currycel78912025-11-15 07:08
Stan Lee disagreed with it. As did later writers.
BigfootsBestBud2025-11-15 01:22
Thats not how it fully works. Usually in that case its that his face was initially only slightly scared, but then he completely disfigured it by melding the mask to his face.
thatonemoze2025-11-15 01:31
same with his codpiece
GrimaceGrunson2025-11-15 01:49
His “Richards”, if you will.
Scion417902025-11-15 01:58
Both interpretations of have been used by various authors over the years
Bing_Bong_the_Archer2025-11-15 06:19
Epic panel
Lord_Phoenix952025-11-15 01:43
Doom is a very vain person so him having to cover up a small mark on his face and consider it horribly disfigured tracks for him.
Currycel78912025-11-15 01:46
But it literally IS horrifically disfigured.
MrNobody_02025-11-15 02:16
SOME iterations of him yes, not ALL.
Currycel78912025-11-15 02:21
Especially the version of him in Time Runs Out and 2015 Secret Wars.
But since they're paying for RDJ, they'll skip that. They have to maximize the Stark parallels. He's clearly a Stark variant of some kind.
yehiko2025-11-15 02:04
They did this with jigsaw and people lost their shit. This was literally the plot for jigsaw in punisher.
Yes it's not now it was in the comments, but it is how they did it there
Lord_Phoenix952025-11-15 02:05
The actor was a big fan of the Punisher comics and said he wanted the look to be way worse than what was used. I'm not sure why Netflix went with a less visreal look.
ssort2025-11-15 02:19
They didn't want their very attractive actor to be not attractive, could hurt viewership.
Dave_B0012025-11-15 03:00
Plus Netflix saves money where it can.
ExultantSandwich2025-11-15 05:24
Very interesting article published in Variety this year, an all encompassing interview with Ted Sarandos, CEO of Netflix
> Ted Sarandos: *“Some things from our early days don’t get talked about much, and some take on lives of their own. “*
> Variety: **Such as?**
> Ted: *”Like the idea that “House of Cards” was the biggest deal ever in content. By far, our Marvel deal [in 2013] was the biggest deal in the history of television. No one will ever touch it. We committed to five original seasons of TV with no pilots, 13 expensive episodes for each show centered around one character. And then a crossover season. Ultimately, we learned a lot about the entertainment business on that deal”.*
> Variety: **”That deal included Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. Do you think the TV shows that Marvel is producing for Disney+ are successful?”**
> Ted: *“I think they are. I mean, I don’t know because they don’t release any numbers. On our shows, we were dealing with the old Marvel television regime, which operated independently at Disney. And they were thrifty. And every time we wanted to make the shows bigger or better, we had to bang on them. Our incentives were not well aligned. We wanted to make great television; they wanted to make money. I thought we could make money with great television”.*
> Variety: **”What did you learn from that experience?”**
> Ted: *”You want to work with people whose incentives are aligned with yours. When people are producing for you, they’re trying to produce as cheaply as possible. My incentive is to make it as great as possible. That’s a lesson that I take forever. As producers, whatever [Marvel] didn’t spend, they kept. So every time we wanted to add something to the show to make it better, it was a fistfight”.*
So apparently Marvel Television, under Perlmutter, was cutting costs like crazy. They got a fixed amount per episode, after Netflix ordered 60 episodes at once. Granted Disney+ may be Netflix’s single biggest competitor, so he has an incentive here, but I believe it
Banzaikk2025-11-15 08:58
That tracks for Perlmutter.
lazys_world2025-11-15 04:38
Billy was ugly in S2 anyways.
Lord_Phoenix952025-11-15 06:38
Not ugly enough.
bassbyblaine2025-11-15 06:53
See: handsome squidward Frankenstein on Netflix
smithburg20212025-11-15 04:22
That would be a question for ABC since they actually made the show. But I think the main reason given was because the jigsaw theme was supposed to be for Billy’s fractured mind rather than his face.
Tornado316192025-11-15 02:25
That’s because his face is supposed to look like a jigsaw.
unclecaveman12025-11-15 02:44
Specifically a jigsaw puzzle, multiple pieces put back together, not a literal saw.
Hecticfreeze2025-11-15 02:29
Except Jigsaws disfigurement only makes sense if he goes from being "Billy the beaut" to *actually* disfigured. It's his complete loss of the thing that he defined himself by that causes him to lose his sanity in the first place. Tiny scars that you can barely see make him losing his mind over it seem implausible.
Doom is a different animal though. His whole thing isn't just vanity, but an obsession with perfection. To consider himself anything less than perfect is a violation of his essence. It's why Reed being smarter than him is so personally offensive. And it's why a tiny scar can cause an existential crisis that leads to him burning his own face off in his haste to cover a minor imperfection (my personal favourite backstory for his face)
FleetStreetsDarkHole2025-11-15 02:56
Plus the scene where he gets scarred is actually implied to be very gruesome. So it also ruined the continuity. I would not expect the implied injuries to come out so well regardless of how good a plastic surgeon he had.
And while they made jokes about his pretty face I don't think they made him super vain. He had a big ego but for his looks he never seemed much more than a guy who liked looking good. So his reaction to some minor scarring seems overblown. I expected him to go a more "chicks dig scars route".
CaptHayfever2025-11-15 05:56
> Plus the scene where he gets scarred is actually implied to be very gruesome. So it also ruined the continuity. I would not expect the implied injuries to come out so well regardless of how good a plastic surgeon he had.
I would expect it. Reconstructive surgery has come a *LOOOONNNNNGGGG* way since the character was originally created.
FleetStreetsDarkHole2025-11-15 17:00
Maybe. There's doing well and there's "return to normal" and for the suggested extent of his injuries I don't think he could've achieved "return to normal". Billy's face was practically flayed off his skull by the jagged pieces of a broken mirror.
At best, IRL, I would expect that to need a ton of work and man hours and at least a couple of major scars. Which would still be a miracle given the state of his face. In-universe I would expect a botched job, a lot of ego, and maybe doctors being afraid to work with him because of his expectations.
We've gotten really good at stitching people's faces back together but I don't think Billy was supposed to have enough face *to* stitch back together. I would've expected at least a few missing patches and a network of fine scars. Something to justify his ego about it just because of my second point of him not being portrayed as quite vain enough to become unstable over a couple minor scars.
LADYBIRD_HILL2025-11-15 03:09
People lost their shit because the end of season one clearly shows his face being completely disfigured by the glass shards, yet it looks like he got in a fight with an animal with sharp claws or something in season 2.
Lord_Phoenix952025-11-15 06:40
Yeah, Punisher uses the mirror like a cheese grater on his face. It should've been way worse.
ernie-jo2025-11-15 04:57
That was not the plot at all haha. EVERYBODY acted like he was disfigured. There was never a single line of dialogue or a single hint that Billy was overreacting to his disfigurement due to his own vanity. The show made a big deal about it the first time the audience saw it just like Two-Face in TDK.
NoNazisInMyAmerica2025-11-15 03:10
What if DOOM isn't scarred but refuses to show his face and changes his name because Reed Richards was miles smarter than him lmfao
Atraxodectus2025-11-15 03:09
That's not what happens.
He puts the mask on *while it was still cooling* and it bonds to his face. He doesn't have it removed because *he is ABSOLUTELY disfigured beyond belief*... This is covered in his origin and the HBoTMU.
Canvaverbalist2025-11-15 06:09
So he'll look like the girl from Ready Player One?
ComfortablyBalanced2025-11-15 08:23
The last thing to fit was the mask. Would it conform to my twisted features in comfort?
maxfridsvault2025-11-15 01:19
i think it’ll just be RDJ with some scars. Doom’s scarring and reason for his mask has never been fully consistent across most comics, so i think they’ll take a lot of creative liberties with the origin of it in the mcu.
i really hope if they go into his past, it’s inspired by Books of Doom or the classic 616 backstory where he had it welded on after an incident with some experiment or his own sorcery.
i don’t see them going much in his motives to save his mother from Mephisto or his upbringing or anything- they’ll probably just try to build up his history with Reed more and keep his motives simple for the sake of the first movie he’s in.
notbad4human2025-11-15 02:25
Yeah, they’re not gonna pay the dude 90 million to have his face hidden the whole flicks
Bing_Bong_the_Archer2025-11-15 06:20
But they COULD, and it would be awesome
Obvious-End-79482025-11-15 03:54
I wouldn't be surprised if they just had Doom get Franklin to heal him very early in the film. Maybe we get a scene or two with his messed up face beforehand just so the execs can tick the box and say "Yep. Comic accurate!" and then still plaster RDJ's face everywhere without the mask for star power points.
I'd rather it be the narcissistic obsession over his appearance though and it's just like a small scar anyone else would write off as a minor shaving accident.
QuickScopeMike2025-11-15 09:56
That would explain the Fantastic Four post credits scene!
ComfortablyBalanced2025-11-15 08:27
[Principal]
Doom, are you awake?
[Dr. Doom]
Yes, but what do you want?
[Principal]
You fool, it’s a miracle that you didn’t kill Costez as well as yourself. So, before you cause greater harm—
[Dr. Doom]
Get out of here! This is just a minor disappointment. I shall overcome it
[Reed]
The failure of DOOM’s experiment did not end his tragedy
For a few days later, his bandages were removed
[Nurse]
There. Aah! How horrible, that face
[Dr. Doom]
What have I done to myself? My face is...hideous! He made me hurry my experiment! Now I must hide my face from all mankind. But he will pay. Oh, how he will pay!
[Reed]
So after his face was ruined, he just seemed to disappear
JasonP272025-11-15 01:20
Umm, define better or worse. Better / worse CGI and makeup? Or better / worse off as far as injury?
NightmareDJK2025-11-15 01:20
It’s never consistent, sometimes he doesn’t have a scar at all.
FewWatermelonlesson02025-11-15 01:35
This is flat out not true lmao. The only time there’s been no scar is when it’s explicitly been healed, as in the original Secret Wars when he gets the Beyonder’s power.
schizowithagun2025-11-15 01:25
i don't think they would spend a hundred million dollars to cast rdj again just for 2 movies only to hide his face under a thousand layers of makeup and cgi. with that being said, i would love it if his face was horribly deformed
hell20_2025-11-15 05:29
Yes but "OMG RDJ!!!!1!11!!" = a billion at the box office = profit and RDJs paycheck rises with every MCU film he's done. "big pay" argument is stupid.
astrofan2025-11-15 01:27
I don't know, RDJ gotta show his face. lol
Broxios2025-11-15 01:27
I think he will be horribly disfigured, outright disgusting to look at. Similar to Jigsaw in The Punisher season 2.
Mizerous2025-11-15 03:12
Lol lmao even
NotAStatistic22025-11-15 01:30
He won't be horrifically scarred. Hollywood actors tend to have massive egos and want their face to be shown off constantly.
They're not spending the GDP of a small country for RDJ's face to not be recognizable.
In fact, almost positive Doom will have that lame ass dissolvable mask that every man and his dog has in the MCU
Zaffyon_2025-11-15 01:51
Ah yes Nanotech, our favorite
dyrannn2025-11-15 01:59
>They’re not spending the GDP of a small country for RDJ’s face to not be recognizable
People always say this and it’s so funny to me that you don’t recognize that the stunt cast has already done what it’s supposed to lmfao
You people take it as a fact that they would only pay RDJ for his face when his name, ***clearly*** is all it takes to stir everyone into a frenzy.
RDJ could literally just be playing the voice of a doom bot and it would be worth the money for the amount of hype it’s already generated and the ticket sales it’s surely going to generate.
But sure, you *know* what they would and wouldn’t do, for a fact, and they for *sure* want to butcher one of their most iconic characters by making him an Iron Man redux, cause THATS smart.
Just wait, the fact that he doesn’t take the mask off will become part of the same machine that is currently insisting he *has* to take it off.
NotAStatistic22025-11-15 02:12
Who is "you people"?
RDJ isn't a voice actor, and no voice actor in the history of cinema would ever get 100 million dollars for just their voice.
Your throat ever get sore from your full-throated, and undying, support of mediocre cinema?
The MCU has been churning out slop since Endgame. Guess you're the average person keeping the MCU from sinking even further.
I'm sure RDJ has been top marks since his Iron Man died. Oppenheimer is more of an aberration than the rule
dyrannn2025-11-15 02:18
>Who is “you people”?
The people that insist that RDJ *needs* to show his face, as that’s the only reason they’re paying him, for better or worse. Like you!
No shit buddy, I was making a point. He’ll be in the suit and everything I was just saying the marketing draw isn’t *his face*, it’s the *fact that he’s in the movie to start with.*
You’re so mad for no reason lmfao, did you people really strike a nerve that hard? Where did I say *anything* regarding the quality of *any* movies. I just said it’s fucking annoying how people like you insist it’s just gonna be iron man in a green cloak as a fact when it’s clearly a marketing stunt that is working for the people that eat up cameo slop
NotAStatistic22025-11-15 02:35
You're right.
Mizerous2025-11-15 03:13
*Gives you a dissolvable mask*
Heisenburgo2025-11-15 04:15
If he wants to play unmasked DOOM so much, it better be in the college flashbacks with a deaged Pedro Pascal as well. Or else I will personally throw a tantrum so big in my local Applebee's, the whole nation will hear.
TarzanGunn2025-11-15 01:32
The Tony Stark Infinity Gauntlet scar…. that’s what’s underneath
Dante20052025-11-15 01:34
RDJ is going to be Doom for sure, but he is going to be the 'face' of Doom -- multiverse wise.
I think we will get a 'Real' Doom later -- I hope.
Agile-Fruit1282025-11-15 01:42
Victor von Doom's face only has a minor scar according to 'recent' comics. He views the small imperfection as hideous. Plays well into his character.
BlargerJarger2025-11-15 01:55
I’m sure Stan Lee talked about the dinky scar 50 years ago. I was there, Gandalf.
Currycel78912025-11-15 01:59
That's AFTER his horrific scars were healed at the end of 2015 Secret Wars.
Touchpod5162025-11-15 01:43
From the leaks it looks like his face will have a multiple big scars going down the middle of his face through his nose
TheGreatAngel02025-11-15 01:45
Omg... so it took me WAY too long to realize that I was on the marvel sub and not the Doom sub (as in the games) and was thoroughly confused why everyone was calling Doom Slayer/Guy just Doom and wondering why everyone was saying Doom Slayer just let his ego keep his helmet on and I'm just like... he's fighting hordes of demons 24/7 why would he take his helmet off? Lol
MatiC20232025-11-15 01:50
I don't care, dude (Lie, I love you)
TheGreatAngel02025-11-15 01:52
Edit: was supposed to have a gif but its not wanting to post sorry lol
Just trying to boost the algorithm lol (whoops wrong site lol)
MatiC20232025-11-15 02:08
TheGreatAngel02025-11-15 02:19
NerdyDadOnline2025-11-15 01:45
they cast RDJ for Doom, they are going to show his face, a lot.
legomaximumfigure2025-11-15 02:00
This.
No-Childhood66082025-11-15 06:36
Doom's mask is just a photo of Robert Downey Jr.
emelecfan20482025-11-15 07:23
SeniorRicketts2025-11-15 10:02
Hey it's thst guy from Call of duty
Omakepants2025-11-15 01:51
Man I forgot how badly Rocket messed that dude UP!
legomaximumfigure2025-11-15 02:01
Rocket took his Face-Off
Omakepants2025-11-15 02:03
Not for nothing but I'll love this movie until I die.
BlargerJarger2025-11-15 01:56
High Evolutionary: “What’s a skin graft?”
NrFive2025-11-15 01:59
It’s RDJ, so scars etc to hide his real face so other MCU characters can’t make the link, but recognizable enough for the viewer.
Alexexy2025-11-15 02:00
Doom without a mask is gonna be RDJ lmao. Theyre not gonna make the man unrecognizable.
Spensir_McLife2025-11-15 02:22
I prefer the idea that it was originally a small scar but he was so quick to cover it up that he put in the mask while it was still hot and disfigured his face even more.
FoxMcCloud31732025-11-15 02:33
I mean they didn’t pick RDJ to play Doom just to have him look like that
hell20_2025-11-15 05:30
Yes they did
tideshark2025-11-15 03:03
I thought this was cool and important to the story but it very much felt fake in universe bc they have medic kits that they put on their broken arms that can instantly heal them and they have biological space stations that can be grown into whatever and this guy can create all kinds of mutant critter people but he *couldn’t fix his face when there have been worse injuries than this to happen in real life that they have been able to patch up fairly well…*
Was just one of those things you have to go with the writing to let happen for the story. Easily still my favorite movie of the MCU.
CaptHayfever2025-11-15 06:00
As we see in the movie, that world's Latveria is rejecting the Fantastic Four's gifts.
truckercharles2025-11-15 03:18
Doom better be better than every villain aside from Ultron and Thanos tbh - unlimited potential to be a primary facet of the MCU, one of the best villains ever created, and some of the coolest storylines in comics, as well as being a legitimate OG villain.
MutinyIPO2025-11-15 03:19
Don’t ask why, don’t ask how, and no I won’t give you any more information because I’m not close to the production and I don’t know anything else — I DO know that Doom’s face is going to be unscathed enough for them to advertise the hell out of Robert Downey Jr. He’s going to go mask-off for a LOT of the movie and he won’t be notably disfigured at all, let alone at the level of the Guardians 3 villain.
MrFC10002025-11-15 03:37
I can’t remember what issue it was, but FF maybe around 195-200 ish, Doom is driven mad by seeing his face in some weird ultra mirrored room. Like he saw a near infinite number of reflections of his scarred face and it immediately drove him mad. So, it has to be pretty bad.
Corvid-Strigidae2025-11-15 03:48
I hope we never see him without his mask.
insidious_rodent2025-11-15 03:57
I think in the FF post credits scene Franklin heals his face... so i dont think Doom is going to be disfigured at all
Vaportrail2025-11-15 03:59
Yet another reminder on why I haven't rewatched GotG 3.
Earthwick2025-11-15 03:59
Doom has the abilities to heal his face. Knowing this they always make the reasons behind his mask change and make little sense. From tiny imperfections he sees but no one else would, to full blown melted face, to wearing it just cause, to its like power armor. Who knows what MCU will do.
Meriwether12025-11-15 04:18
As long as he doesn’t have a cool goatee it will work
keytide222025-11-15 04:29
They ain’t mutilating RDJ’s face lol
driku122025-11-15 04:50
I hope we never see, so we'll never know
CuriousFloyd3322025-11-15 05:11
I feel like he will look similar to Darth Vader but I hope it's just a tiny scar
Spider_Boyo2025-11-15 05:24
Still can't believe they got away with this lmao, regardless I don't think they'll do this exactly to doom, though I've also heard the rumour that he "needs the suit to survive", so idk, he might be as fricked up as unmasked Doom from Hickman Secret Wars
calamitylamb2025-11-15 06:02
I’m still not 100% convinced that RDJ is actually playing Doom, simply because hiring a famous face to play a character that’s famously always in a mask due to his facial disfigurement seems like a wild choice. But hiring RDJ to play an alternate universe Iron Man, and hiding that by announcing him in a different role seems like classic Marvel misdirection lol
SuspectKnown96552025-11-15 06:15
One scar, a couple of scars or maybe one side that's scarred. Don't think he'll be fully disfigured.
Comedian702025-11-15 06:43
If anyone at all involved with the production, including RDJ, gives two tiny fucks about who and what Victor Von IS, we will never, ever, EVER see his face.
It’s great to be herp-derp cynical about this. But it’s like a lot of people on this sub are more interested in being right about what does wind up happening on screen than the long term lore of one the greatest supervillains in the history of comics.
Marvel has really screwed up a handful of villains who definitely deserved more respect than the writers gave them. Others they have gotten so right that you just know they really cared and truly loved that villain.
I am expecting the second case here and I will be more than a little disappointed if they screw this up.
A_BAK3D_POTATO2025-11-15 07:50
Doom's scar is very small and is sometimes actually drawn to make him look handsome. but he's insecure and covers it uo
Otherwise-Nobody-1272025-11-15 08:25
As long he is not a pretty boy with 2 scars. Like jigsaw. Then im happy .
Own_Interaction_67092025-11-15 08:33
Worse. No Gunn, less gore. Also, the main star who is getting paid the most likely won’t have heavy makeup or prosthetics applied.
Kidfury21152025-11-15 09:00
Best case scenario is that we don't find out. Preferably he never takes it off, but with the F4 post credit scene it seems less than likely. So at the very least I hope the few times he does take it off we just dont see his face like in that scene
Nashnif2025-11-15 09:05
I hope it's a paper cut
terrydavid862025-11-15 09:34
amazing villain
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This sub begs for Doom to be a Stark variant lmao, nobody cares about accuracy they care about cameo slop
I want the mask to stay on, and if it comes off I want him to be unrecognizable. Doom deserves to be Doom, and RDJ, as he’s said at least twice, *is* Iron Man.
So I hope it will be "better" than the High Evolutionary.
In the comics, Doom's face is horrifically disfigured.
Especially Jonathan Hickman's stories, which the MCU is currently adapting.
That said, since they're paying for RDJ specifically- they can't really scar him.
But since they're paying for RDJ, they'll skip that. They have to maximize the Stark parallels. He's clearly a Stark variant of some kind.
Yes it's not now it was in the comments, but it is how they did it there
> Ted Sarandos: *“Some things from our early days don’t get talked about much, and some take on lives of their own. “*
> Variety: **Such as?**
> Ted: *”Like the idea that “House of Cards” was the biggest deal ever in content. By far, our Marvel deal [in 2013] was the biggest deal in the history of television. No one will ever touch it. We committed to five original seasons of TV with no pilots, 13 expensive episodes for each show centered around one character. And then a crossover season. Ultimately, we learned a lot about the entertainment business on that deal”.*
> Variety: **”That deal included Daredevil, Jessica Jones and Luke Cage. Do you think the TV shows that Marvel is producing for Disney+ are successful?”**
> Ted: *“I think they are. I mean, I don’t know because they don’t release any numbers. On our shows, we were dealing with the old Marvel television regime, which operated independently at Disney. And they were thrifty. And every time we wanted to make the shows bigger or better, we had to bang on them. Our incentives were not well aligned. We wanted to make great television; they wanted to make money. I thought we could make money with great television”.*
> Variety: **”What did you learn from that experience?”**
> Ted: *”You want to work with people whose incentives are aligned with yours. When people are producing for you, they’re trying to produce as cheaply as possible. My incentive is to make it as great as possible. That’s a lesson that I take forever. As producers, whatever [Marvel] didn’t spend, they kept. So every time we wanted to add something to the show to make it better, it was a fistfight”.*
[Link](https://variety.com/2025/film/news/ted-sarandos-stranger-things-ending-marvel-fight-1236339714/).
So apparently Marvel Television, under Perlmutter, was cutting costs like crazy. They got a fixed amount per episode, after Netflix ordered 60 episodes at once. Granted Disney+ may be Netflix’s single biggest competitor, so he has an incentive here, but I believe it
Doom is a different animal though. His whole thing isn't just vanity, but an obsession with perfection. To consider himself anything less than perfect is a violation of his essence. It's why Reed being smarter than him is so personally offensive. And it's why a tiny scar can cause an existential crisis that leads to him burning his own face off in his haste to cover a minor imperfection (my personal favourite backstory for his face)
And while they made jokes about his pretty face I don't think they made him super vain. He had a big ego but for his looks he never seemed much more than a guy who liked looking good. So his reaction to some minor scarring seems overblown. I expected him to go a more "chicks dig scars route".
I would expect it. Reconstructive surgery has come a *LOOOONNNNNGGGG* way since the character was originally created.
At best, IRL, I would expect that to need a ton of work and man hours and at least a couple of major scars. Which would still be a miracle given the state of his face. In-universe I would expect a botched job, a lot of ego, and maybe doctors being afraid to work with him because of his expectations.
We've gotten really good at stitching people's faces back together but I don't think Billy was supposed to have enough face *to* stitch back together. I would've expected at least a few missing patches and a network of fine scars. Something to justify his ego about it just because of my second point of him not being portrayed as quite vain enough to become unstable over a couple minor scars.
He puts the mask on *while it was still cooling* and it bonds to his face. He doesn't have it removed because *he is ABSOLUTELY disfigured beyond belief*... This is covered in his origin and the HBoTMU.
i really hope if they go into his past, it’s inspired by Books of Doom or the classic 616 backstory where he had it welded on after an incident with some experiment or his own sorcery.
i don’t see them going much in his motives to save his mother from Mephisto or his upbringing or anything- they’ll probably just try to build up his history with Reed more and keep his motives simple for the sake of the first movie he’s in.
I'd rather it be the narcissistic obsession over his appearance though and it's just like a small scar anyone else would write off as a minor shaving accident.
Doom, are you awake?
[Dr. Doom]
Yes, but what do you want?
[Principal]
You fool, it’s a miracle that you didn’t kill Costez as well as yourself. So, before you cause greater harm—
[Dr. Doom]
Get out of here! This is just a minor disappointment. I shall overcome it
[Reed]
The failure of DOOM’s experiment did not end his tragedy
For a few days later, his bandages were removed
[Nurse]
There. Aah! How horrible, that face
[Dr. Doom]
What have I done to myself? My face is...hideous! He made me hurry my experiment! Now I must hide my face from all mankind. But he will pay. Oh, how he will pay!
[Reed]
So after his face was ruined, he just seemed to disappear
They're not spending the GDP of a small country for RDJ's face to not be recognizable.
In fact, almost positive Doom will have that lame ass dissolvable mask that every man and his dog has in the MCU
People always say this and it’s so funny to me that you don’t recognize that the stunt cast has already done what it’s supposed to lmfao
You people take it as a fact that they would only pay RDJ for his face when his name, ***clearly*** is all it takes to stir everyone into a frenzy.
RDJ could literally just be playing the voice of a doom bot and it would be worth the money for the amount of hype it’s already generated and the ticket sales it’s surely going to generate.
But sure, you *know* what they would and wouldn’t do, for a fact, and they for *sure* want to butcher one of their most iconic characters by making him an Iron Man redux, cause THATS smart.
Just wait, the fact that he doesn’t take the mask off will become part of the same machine that is currently insisting he *has* to take it off.
RDJ isn't a voice actor, and no voice actor in the history of cinema would ever get 100 million dollars for just their voice.
Your throat ever get sore from your full-throated, and undying, support of mediocre cinema?
The MCU has been churning out slop since Endgame. Guess you're the average person keeping the MCU from sinking even further.
I'm sure RDJ has been top marks since his Iron Man died. Oppenheimer is more of an aberration than the rule
The people that insist that RDJ *needs* to show his face, as that’s the only reason they’re paying him, for better or worse. Like you!
No shit buddy, I was making a point. He’ll be in the suit and everything I was just saying the marketing draw isn’t *his face*, it’s the *fact that he’s in the movie to start with.*
You’re so mad for no reason lmfao, did you people really strike a nerve that hard? Where did I say *anything* regarding the quality of *any* movies. I just said it’s fucking annoying how people like you insist it’s just gonna be iron man in a green cloak as a fact when it’s clearly a marketing stunt that is working for the people that eat up cameo slop
I think we will get a 'Real' Doom later -- I hope.
Just trying to boost the algorithm lol (whoops wrong site lol)
Was just one of those things you have to go with the writing to let happen for the story. Easily still my favorite movie of the MCU.
It’s great to be herp-derp cynical about this. But it’s like a lot of people on this sub are more interested in being right about what does wind up happening on screen than the long term lore of one the greatest supervillains in the history of comics.
Marvel has really screwed up a handful of villains who definitely deserved more respect than the writers gave them. Others they have gotten so right that you just know they really cared and truly loved that villain.
I am expecting the second case here and I will be more than a little disappointed if they screw this up.
If you're asking an open-ended question, try to add your own personal answer and the reasoning.